I do not think Ginny meant to sound dismissive of the Chippewa
offerings. I believe she was making a distinction between some
classes leading to a certificate of completion, and that of a
major in a baccalaureate degree program.
Best regards, Steve
Steven D. Whitaker, CRM
Records Systems Manager; City of Reno
>>> [log in to unmask] 10/24/05 10:06AM >>>
Ginny's rather dismissive comments regarding the Chippewa Valley
course
leads me to believe that Ginny has never spoken with anyone who's
completed
the course! I've had RM colleagues with bachelors and even masters
degrees who are completing the Chippewa certificate tell me that they
haven't worked so hard at a course of study for a very long time. I
completed the certificate in July of 2004, and the knowledge gained
from
the textbook and homework assignments has been invaluable. The main
textbook, Information and Records Management (Robeck/Brown/Stephens) is
a
classic of records management theory. The first two classes of the
course
used that textbook exclusively, hardly a "smattering" of RM overviews!
The
Chippewa course is very highly regarded at Los Alamos National
Laboratory
as providing a solid base of training in all areas of records
management,
including knowledge management. So far, every CRM that I have met at
LANL
seems to consider completing the Chippewa certificate as almost a
necessary
first step towards qualifying to sit for the exams.
As far as the pros and cons of the value of the CRM designation, I
think
we're fortunate to be working in a field where real-world working
experience combined with education can be validated by a professional
organization.
Karin
At 12:46 PM 10/21/2005, you wrote:
>I concur with the list's view that a university records management
>degree program would be exceptional. Until one exists, however, I
hope
>the list will give serious consideration to the 15-credit online
>RIM certificate offered through Chippewa Valley Technical College.
>The certificate is a good way to get a solid educational background
in
>records management.
>
>Disclaimer: I'm the primary course developer and instructor
>for the CVTC certificate courses. I don't mean for this
>posting to be a shameless plug for the certificate. My intent
>is to clarify the scope and content of the certificate in light
>of the general discussion.
>
>Although CVTC is not a four-year baccalaureate-granting
>institution, it is fully accredited, and persons who have
>successfully completed the certificate report a high level of
>satisfaction with the content and the results of their
>work.
>
>Ginny wrote about the types of RIM education available:
>
> >The other, more common, type is a few courses at the
>undergraduate level (such as Chippewa College) that results in some
type
>of "certificate of completion" or inclusion of RIM material in office
>management or admin assistant certificate programs at the community
>college level. The latter is usually heavily focused on filing
methods
>and rules with a smattering of general RIM overviews like Vital
Records
>or the need for retention schedules.<
>
>I want to clarify that the course content of the RIM certificate at
>Chippewa Valley Technical College is heavily focused on substantive
>RIM components. Filing rules are included as approximately half of
one
>of the five courses because enrollees requested a background in
>alphabetic, numeric, geographic, and subject filing. For instance,
>the filing section segues into a serious discussion and application
of
>active and inactive storage and retrieval.
>
>I posted a message earlier today about the start of the next round
>of classes under the subject line "Registration Open for
>RIM Certificate Online Class" that had more detail about
>certificate content.
>
>Student feedback leads me to believe that the RIM certificate at
>CVTC is highly regarded for its inclusive approach to records
>management and that the amount of work and level
>of effort in the classes is comparable to university-level
>courses.
>
>Because of the 15-credit limitation of this onIine certificate,
>I realize it can't have the depth or breadth of the former four-year
>UND program, but the certificate is available now and does represent
>substantial educational achievement on the part of those who complete
>it. Its online delivery format also makes it accessible worldwide.
>
>Details about the certificate are available at
>http://www.cvtc.edu/programs/rim.htm.
>
>Our College has talked about expanding the certificate to
>a two-year online associate degree program. Does the list
>think there's any merit toward our pursuing that, or is a four-year
>degree the only acceptable initial post-secondary educational
>degree?
>
>--Grace
>
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>Grace E. Rich, PhD, CRM
>Chippewa Valley Technical College
>620 West Clairemont Avenue
>Eau Claire, WI 54701
>715-858-1856
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