okay i've got a few photos up in the recmgmt-ot yahoo group http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/recmgmt_ot/ you have to be a member of the group to view them and if you are a member just click on the photos link on the left-side of the page and there are two albums set up already. will try to post more tomorrow. -- Peter A. Kurilecz CRM, CA Richmond, Va [log in to unmask] List archives at http://lists.ufl.edu/archives/recmgmt-l.html Contact [log in to unmask] for assistance