Touche, Mr. Kurilecz! :)
And of course I understand the concept of "other duties as assigned" -
that's the final line of about every job you'd ever find. So I'm OK with the
moldy, mildewy, rat-infested goodness that is boxes of stuff in some records
centers. But I certainly don't remember a hard requirement to do any
lifting in my capacity as a technical support manager, a software
development manager, a training manager....part of the reason IMNSHO that
"records manager" is different from those other managers is that many
records managers don't manage people - that is, the position itself is not
really a management position. Before I get the flames from some of you, yes,
I said MANY, not all - there are certainly records managers who have
budgetary responsibilities, personnel, hire/fire authority, etc. etc. etc.
But a project manager isn't always a manager, and a product marketing
manager isn't usually a manager in that narrow sense, and many records
managers are not engaged in managerial functions.
From the position (http://jobs.harvard.edu/jobs/summ_req?in_post_id=32740),
"The Records Manager supervises the work of the Records Analyst and provides
oversight and guidance to other records management professionals, support
staff, and/or temporary employees in the conduct of their duties."
So to me this is a management type of position, and as such while a box lift
here and there would not be untoward, the combination of a masters degree,
preference for CRM certification, and the ability to lift 50 pounds is
arguably a unique one. In contrast, here are five other "manager"-type
positions from the same jobs list at Harvard, none of which notes any
physical requirements:
Outreach Manager, Center for Middle Eastern Studies:
http://jobs.harvard.edu/jobs/summ_req?in_post_id=32765
Program Manager, Center for Workplace Development:
http://jobs.harvard.edu/jobs/summ_req?in_post_id=32726
Senior Property Manager, HRES:
http://jobs.harvard.edu/jobs/summ_req?in_post_id=32764
Marketing Manager, Executive Education:
http://jobs.harvard.edu/jobs/summ_req?in_post_id=32680
Facilities Manager, Engineering and Applied Sciences:
http://jobs.harvard.edu/jobs/summ_req?in_post_id=32623
So....
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-----Original Message-----
From: Records Management Program [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Peter Kurilecz
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Job: Cambridge, Massachusetts (revised posting)
On 2/13/07, Savage, Jimmie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > As for the box lifting, any one in this line of work is going to have to
lift a box or two, even if they're at the management level. So including
that in the job posting seems fair.
>
> Jim Savage, CRM
its not the occasional box lifting that bothers me but the fact that
it seems to be a primary part of the position.
folks we are talking about a professional position here that requires
an undergraduate and graduate degree, prefers professional
certification as well extensive IT knowledge.
to use one of Jesse Wilkins methods change the position title to say
accounting manager or HR manager or any other mid-level management
position and see if the position announcement sounds good.
Now if the box lifting is occasional why not say so in the
announcement. otherwise it appears as if that is a regular
requirement. and in my experience that requirement could be used to
eliminate someone under the ADA requirements. What is wanted brains or
brawn.
If this were an analyst position or a clerk position I could
understand the requirement but this has manager in the title. As BillR
noted earlier I don't mind toting the occasional box, but not all the
time
and yes salary ranges and other pieces of compensation such as
relocation should be made a part of a job posting.
--
Peter Kurilecz CRM CA
Records Management - So easy a caveman can do it!
Richmond, Va
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