RECMGMT-L Archives

Records Management

RECMGMT-L@LISTSERV.IGGURU.US

Options: Use Forum View

Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
Larry Medina <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
Records Management Program <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:22:46 -0700
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (70 lines)
Further to the link I sent yesterday regarding States requirements and
practices related to the application of a Seal on a drawing, calculation or
specification, I found (not surprisingly) that the Great State of
California, has conflicting guidance on the issue ...sigh...

Presently, there are two documents that cover this issue:

http://goo.gl/VGLTP The "Professional Engineers Act", dated Jan 2011, where
in Section 6735 it states "...shall bear the signature, seal and or stamp...
and the date of signing, sealing or stamping..."

http://goo.gl/tuutM The "Board Rules and Regulations Related to the
Practices of Professional Engineering and Land Surveying" CCR, Title 16, Div
5 dated July 2010 where in section 411 it states "... a permanent ink
representation, an opaque and permanent impression, or an electronically
generated representation on the documents.  The signature may be applied to
the documents electronically"

Oddly enough, the rule requiring the "seal and signature" was issued 6
months after the one saying an "electronic representation" would suffice...
so I wouldn't want to have to go to court on THAT one!


The State policy when I was actively involved (until 1999) in the processing
of engineering drawings from a wide range of disciplines was quite clear- on
any "Final/Formal Issue" of a document, a wet seal had to be affixed to
individual sheets of drawings and the front sheet of calculations or
specifications.  Subsequent revisions only needed to bear a new seal if a
"substantial change" was made... and no there was no formal definition of
what was to be considered substantial, it was left up to the professional
engineer who initially sealed the document to determine.

With CAD generated drawings, our internal policy was the plot of any/all
"For Construction" documents were to be stamped and signed.  The
stamped/signed documents were microfilmed and those 'original plots' were
filed. The CAD file was then updated with an IMAGE of the RPE's seal and a
not was added adjacent to the seal "original signed on XX/XX/XXXX" and
subsequent revisions of the drawings/documents would bear this information,
but not be re-sealed.   Plots of these revisions were signed and dated in
the revision block, and microfilmed.  When the drawing/document was revised
the next time, the initials and dates from the prior revision in the
revision block were added to the file and would appear in subsequent plots.

Larry


On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Todd Johnson <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Good stuff! Thanks, Larry.
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Larry Medina <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > You may want to take a look here when it comes to engineering drawings,
> > calculations, standards and specifications
> >
> > http://goo.gl/q7C9c
> >
>

-- 
*Lawrence J. Medina
Danville, CA
RIM Professional since 1972*

List archives at http://lists.ufl.edu/archives/recmgmt-l.html
Contact [log in to unmask] for assistance
To unsubscribe from this list, click the below link. If not already present, place UNSUBSCRIBE RECMGMT-L or UNSUB RECMGMT-L in the body of the message.
mailto:[log in to unmask]

ATOM RSS1 RSS2