Hello all,
I'm new to this list, my name is Vijay Ramjit, I'm from Stoney Creek Ontario. My work deals mainy with storage of materials (physical not electronic), as well as retrieval and delivery. I'm currently using barcodes and handheld PDT's to retrieve, deliver and restore items to their permanent locations. Any comments?
Vijay Ramjit
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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:07:36 -0400
From:    Frederic Grevin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: RFID Box tagging

Glen Sanderson asked "Have any of your storage vendors started using RFID barcodes?"

The storage vendors with whom I have spoken explained there is, from their perspective, NO value in using RFID technology for storage management, as opposed to shipping.

As explained by these vendors, the existing system of bar codes connects a unique bar-coded box number to a unique bar-coded shelf location in the storage facility. 

Using RFID technology, and assuming the same degree of location accuracy is desired (unique shelf), each box would have to have an RFID tag (expensive, but possible) and WOULD REQUIRE EACH SHELF TO HAVE A SENSOR--outrageously expensive and not practical.

So far, quite clear.

OTOH, when considering the SHIPMENT of boxes of records to and from a storage facility, using RFID technology to track the shipment as whole--and POSSIBLY each box in the shipment--seems more logical from an operational perspective.

For palletized shipments, each pallet in a shipment would get an RFID tag. RFID sensors could be mounted on each truck and on each loading dock in a storage facility to monitor the arrival and/or departure of the pallet.

For smaller shipments, in which boxes might not be palletised, each box could have an RFID tag as well as a bar coded box number (RFID tags normally use a unique ID number issued by their manufacturer). As described above, RFID sensors could be mounted on each truck and on each loading dock in a storage facility to monitor the arrival and/or departure of the boxes.

Once inside the facility, the bar-coded box number would be used to connect each box to a unique bar-coded shelf location. 

Presumably a hybrid system could be developed, in which the RFID tag on the box could be connected to the bar-coded shelf number, thus obviating the need for a bar-coded box number label in addition to the RFID box tag (the shelf location would still be bar-coded).

Either way, some problems might develop if the two numbering systems were not correctly matched at all points of the tracking systems.

In the end, I suspect it's really a matter of deciding whether such a change makes sense economically, for both the storage vendor and its customers. (who will pay for it)

Best regards,

Fred
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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:17:43 +0000
From:    "Lamont, Laura D [Perfect Output Vendor for Sprint]"
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Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name of the case...

Thank you, Larry.  I will check here as well.

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Subject: Re: [RM] Does anyone know the name of the case...

Or maybe:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/digitaldiscovery/library/spoliation/carlucci.html

Carlucci v. Piper Aircraft???


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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:34:00 +0000
From:    Jim Booth <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: RFID Box tagging

Fred - I sat in on a very interesting discussion on exactly this subject at the Data Protection Association meeting a few weeks ago. The key obstacle for data seems to be the need to tie RFID applications to vehicle GPS systems in order to add an additional layer of error trapping and/or theft alarm protection. The concept of focusing RFID on moving items at a container level seems sound and economically much more feasible than attempting to tag every item separately, but it remains expensive to equip a vehicle with necessary sensors. Market demand or differentiation look like the biggest drivers toward implementation. 

If I am remembering the conversation correctly, I believe some manufacturers may move toward including RFID-enabled media that also contain bar code and color code technology. In theory the newer "enabled" media will begin to replace older media in vault environments. When a critical mass is reached, the switching cost for the data protection facility will be much less, making conversion both practical and affordable.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Records Management Program [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frederic Grevin
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 9:08 AM
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Subject: Re: RFID Box tagging

Glen Sanderson asked "Have any of your storage vendors started using RFID barcodes?"

The storage vendors with whom I have spoken explained there is, from their perspective, NO value in using RFID technology for storage management, as opposed to shipping.

As explained by these vendors, the existing system of bar codes connects a unique bar-coded box number to a unique bar-coded shelf location in the storage facility. 

Using RFID technology, and assuming the same degree of location accuracy is desired (unique shelf), each box would have to have an RFID tag (expensive, but possible) and WOULD REQUIRE EACH SHELF TO HAVE A SENSOR--outrageously expensive and not practical.

So far, quite clear.

OTOH, when considering the SHIPMENT of boxes of records to and from a storage facility, using RFID technology to track the shipment as whole--and POSSIBLY each box in the shipment--seems more logical from an operational perspective.

For palletized shipments, each pallet in a shipment would get an RFID tag. RFID sensors could be mounted on each truck and on each loading dock in a storage facility to monitor the arrival and/or departure of the pallet.

For smaller shipments, in which boxes might not be palletised, each box could have an RFID tag as well as a bar coded box number (RFID tags normally use a unique ID number issued by their manufacturer). As described above, RFID sensors could be mounted on each truck and on each loading dock in a storage facility to monitor the arrival and/or departure of the boxes.

Once inside the facility, the bar-coded box number would be used to connect each box to a unique bar-coded shelf location. 

Presumably a hybrid system could be developed, in which the RFID tag on the box could be connected to the bar-coded shelf number, thus obviating the need for a bar-coded box number label in addition to the RFID box tag (the shelf location would still be bar-coded).

Either way, some problems might develop if the two numbering systems were not correctly matched at all points of the tracking systems.

In the end, I suspect it's really a matter of deciding whether such a change makes sense economically, for both the storage vendor and its customers. (who will pay for it)

Best regards,

Fred
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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:05:30 -0500
From:    "Steward, David" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: RFID Box tagging

It would sure be nice if someone from Recall would jump in on this conversation.  They, in fact, are using RFID in a records center in the Riverside, CA, area.  There was a nice tour to view the system in conjunction with a conference they put on a few years ago.  I would think they could share a lot about the pros and cons of installing and using such a system, along with their perceived competitive advantage in making the investment.  In other words, it must save money, increase operational speed, enhance accuracy, or a combination of these.

Anyone from Recall on this list and willing to add your two cents?


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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:18:05 -0400
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Subject: Ancestry.com agrees to sale for $1.6B

Ancestry.com agrees to sale for $1.6B

PROVO, Utah (AP) =97 Genealogy website Ancestry.com has agreed to be acquir=
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by a group led by European private equity firm Permira Funds in a cash deal
valued at about $1.6 billion.

The offered price of $32 per share
(ACOM)<http://www.usatoday.com/money/tools/ACOM/>is a nearly 10%
premium over Friday's closing price of $29.18. Company
shares jumped nearly 8%, or $2.31, to $31.49 Monday in premarket trading.


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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:18:01 -0400
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Subject: What exactly is defensible deletion? =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AB_?= e-Disclosure Information Project

What exactly is defensible deletion? =AB e-Disclosure Information Project
if US companies paid more attention to Rule 37(e), they too could set about
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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:43:05 -0500
From:    Gordy Hoke <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: RFID Box tagging

An observation:  RFID lets you store boxes two or three deep.  You don't need the line-of-sight that barcodes require.

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:46:13 -0500
From:    Gordy Hoke <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RIM Riddle

After too many hours in too many meetings, one wonders in weird ways:

Q: How do we know the Pink Panther is a records manager?




A: "De-dupe.  De-dupe.  De-dupe-de-dupe-dedupe...."



Groan.

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:00:29 +0000
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Subject: Re: RIM Riddle

LOL  :) thanks for this little pick-me-up on a long Monday!  

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Subject: RIM Riddle

After too many hours in too many meetings, one wonders in weird ways:

Q: How do we know the Pink Panther is a records manager?




A: "De-dupe.  De-dupe.  De-dupe-de-dupe-dedupe...."



Groan.

Gordy
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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:23:27 -0700
From:    Larry Medina <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: RFID Box tagging

Another observation... metal racking, the type used in most commercial
record centers, interferes with accurately reading RFID tags on rear boxes
in a single shelf array of 6 wide, 2 high, 2 or 3 deep.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Gordy Hoke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> An observation:  RFID lets you store boxes two or three deep.  You don't
> need the line-of-sight that barcodes require.
>
> Gordy
> Gordon E.J. Hoke, CRM
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