Aloha Andrew,

Not going to say too much more on this subject other than to say that your analysis is pretty close to reality.  As you've indicated, it will take time before IG gets a foothold...by that time, I wonder if they'll be another "flavor of the day" being promoted.  

If you get a chance, send me a copy of your presentation...

Mahalo and have a GREAT weekend folks!

Brian


Brian A. Moriki 
Assistant Vice-President & Manager 
OSD - Records Management Department 
First Hawaiian Bank 

**The thoughts & opinions expressed are MY OWN and do not represent or reflect my employers or organizations I am affiliated with.**



-----Original Message-----
From: Records Management Program [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Ysasi
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 7:31 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Presentation - Principles of Holistic Info Governance

I rarely comment on the forum (most of a watcher), but I'll throw my opinion in (consider this a blanket IMO reference moving forward :)).

IG is an attempt by ARMA to fill a perceived gap between C-level and traditional record managers.  The concept of governance has been around for some time in IT, specifically COBIT, but has lacked specific "reasons" on why information is kept (i.e. business reason/value, legal need, etc.).  What is interesting is the mission of the IGP doesn't include the term "records".  

"The mission of the Information Governance Professional certification program is to provide an information governance credential within an ethical and professional framework to support individuals to deliver organizational value and reduce risk."
Source:  http://www.arma.org/r2/igp-certification

Having started my career in IT, there was, and still is a gap between RIM professionals and IT.  Both IT and RIM objectives were largely different, but are coming together as information management matures.  IT provided the means for creation, storage, and destruction of information where RIM ensured the organization and management of the data.  There is emphasis on "strategic" with the IGP that my experience RIM professionals have struggled to be included in strategic discussions for the business.  

I did a presentation on the impact of IG on the RIM profession at our local ARMA meeting, if anyone would like a copy shoot me an e-mail.  I don't promote to have all the answers, but provide analysis on how ARMA has positioned the IG term to traditional RIM (this was on my own and not promoted by any organization).

Bottom line, with ARMA, ISACA, ICRM, ISO, CGOC, AIIM, Healthcare associations like HIMSS, and others attempting to guide information management through their own frameworks, my concern is more political jockeying and posturing occurring than actual information management.  Don't get me started on the impact of Big Data!

I look forward to the nebulous world of information management/governance taking shape, but it will certainly take time before de facto standards can keep pace with technology growth.

Regards from Beer City, USA,

Andrew Ysasi
Executive Director
Kent Record Management, Inc.
www.kentrecords.com
www.linkedin.com/in/andrewysasi/


-----Original Message-----
From: Records Management Program [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Larry Medina
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:44 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Presentation - Principles of Holistic Info Governance

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Records Management <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It's pretty much a matter of perspective...Like yourself, I'm a 
> long-term practitioner, whether you want to call me a records manager 
> or information governance professional (the latest coin word), it only 
> matters on how effective we are in working within our organizations in 
> addressing the management of information/records.  If you notice, I've 
> slashed information/records purposely, as technology has made it such 
> that storage of records is no longer "static" (e.g. paper, microfilm,
> etc.) but includes "dynamic" media (e.g. optical, virtual, cloud,
> etc.) to the point where we now intrude into the world formerly exclusive to IT professionals...
>

This change, the management of dynamic forms of information, began for me in the  mid to late 80s and it's never gone back to a strictly static state. There are organizations who draw a line in the sand between the two, but for the most part that's only for the storage and access issues.  The practices and principles aren't much different, it's just more tedious and complex to manage things in digital forms to retain persistent access for longer periods of time.  And the requirements for retention are no different, they're based solely on content, not form.



> I'm not contesting your math, but if the records management community 
> consists of 3 times the current membership of ARMA, then why (?) are 
> they not members?
>

Believe me, you DO NOT want to get me started on this one. You and I go back a long ways and I think you know my thoughts on why this is... we were once both part of a smaller discussion group on this very subject.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion...The use of "records" to describe
> our industry has been debated for years.  Quite frankly, it is what it 
> is...My job title includes records management, so if that's what they 
> want to call it, sobeit.  However, I believe that I "manage" beyond 
> what most people would perceive as "records management" and that seems 
> to expand further as new technology changes the lifecycle of information.
>

I agree- the problem has been one of changing the 'perception' of what the term "Records Management" means... but instead, the people who should be doing that keep reaching for that tube of lipstick and trying to dress it up with new names. If as much energy was spent on supporting the value of managing records as information assets within organizations as is spent on trying to re-brand it, we would be MUCH FARTHER along now.


> So, am I a records manager?  Probably so, but definitely not in the 
> traditional sense...
>

I'm a Records and Information Manager... not an Evangelist, or a Ninja, or any of the other three letter acronym titles others are seeking to assign to the position. I didn't "fall into" this, I sought it out and have performed a wide range of duties in a number of industries at differing levels, and I wear it proudly.

Larry
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