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Don Lueders <[log in to unmask]>
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Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:48:25 -0400
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Interesting.  Thanks for your perspective, Russ.

Like a lot of people in the RIM community, I am very happy to hear that 
Microsoft has recognized the vital part records management plays in 
providing true enterprise content management.  

I would also encourage everyone on this list to read and contribute to 
this new blog.  Microsoft's influence on the course of any technology can 
never be overestimated.  I'm sure the Records Management Team would 
appreciate any input those of us in the field can provide.

Regards,
Don Lueders, CRM
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:00:46 -0700, Russell Stalters 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>It has been interesting to watch the swirl of speculation of why Microsoft
>has finally jumped in the RM swimming pool.
>
>I may be able to offer another perspective.
>
>Back in 2000 when I was the President of TrueArc, we saw the need for
>records management for the then SharePoint V1 and integrated ForeMost with
>SharePoint. We became the first vendor to get the combination DoD 5015.2
>certified.
>
>Starting back then and for many years I have lobbied long and loudly
>directly to the product folks at Microsoft to take a more active role in
>addressing RM with their products that create and manage content like
>SharePoint and Content Management Server.
>
>What you have to understand is that Microsoft's philosophy has been to be 
a
>platform provider which relied on partners to round out their solutions 
with
>the additional needed functionality. RM and workflow are two good examples
>of this over the last 6 years since we at TrueArc integrated ForeMost with
>SharePoint.
>
>I think what has been happening over the last six years has been the 
normal
>evolution of Microsoft's platform (STS -> SPS V1 -> SPS V2 -> SPS V3 
coming)
>and the growing adoption of these technologies by the marketplace. As the
>SharePoint platform has gained significant popularity and adoption by many
>customers, they went back to Microsoft and said "Hey, we need some organic
>records management capability".
>
>I think they are also responding the competitive pressures of the market.
>Case in point is Oracle adding RM to Collaboration Suite 10g and the fact
>that their other main competitor, IBM, provides RM organically.
>
>Finally, I think the entire ECM market is maturing and is recognizing the
>importance of RM as a core capability needed to manage the authenticity 
and
>life cycle of content. We have been shouting about this for years and it
>took Enron, MCI, and the response offered by the Sarbanes Oxley Act 
combined
>to get the rest of the business and IT world to sit up and listen. I think
>this is true with Microsoft. Their clients telling them that they needed
>help with compliance was another tipping point.
>
>I think the great thing about the Microsoft RM Blog is that the RM team at
>Microsoft is not presenting marketing swill or pitching to all of us. They
>are starting a conversation and it behooves everyone with a comment,
>suggestion, question, or opinion to comment on their Blog. I know many of
>the Microsoft folks personally and they want your feedback and they will
>listen.
>
>I hope that sheds a little different light on this.
>
>Finally, I wanted to mention that I started a Blog:
>http://BetterECM.wordpress.com and want to encourage folks to check  it 
out.
>I plan to discuss topics like this, review some of the new ECM 
technologies
>coming to market including the Open Source offerings, and engage in
>conversations with whoever wants to talk about the market.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Russell Stalters
>Compliance Solutions Group
>"The Microsoft Compliance People"
>
>Email:  [log in to unmask]
>
>Check out our Web Site...
>
>www.compliancesolutionsgrp.com
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Records Management Program [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
Behalf
>Of Graham Kitchen
>Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:44 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [RM] Microsoft RM blog
>
>I believe they had a misunderstanding of what records management was so 
they
>thought that it could be eliminated with the use of computer systems.
>
>While I was marketing my consulting services, one prospective client told 
me
>"we don't need records management, we have computers".
>
>Hokayfine.
>
>Graham Kitchen
>Corporate Records Manager
>Unified Western Grocers
>5200 Sheila Street
>Commerce, California 90040
>Telephone:  (323)264-5200 Extension 4560
>Cell:  (323)243-1865
>email:  [log in to unmask]
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Records Management Program
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Grieme, Gary L.
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:32 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft RM blog
>>
>> >>>>  Please read the confidentiality statement below  <<<<
>>
>> <<<I use to wonder why Microsoft didn't get involved in electronic
>> records management as far back as 1990.>>>
>>
>> Me too.  My theory is the software gurus, including Microsoft, used to
>> believe that records management could be totally automated.
>> Now they're
>> coming around to realizing there is a human component that can't be
>> automated--but humans still need the right tools and there's a market
>> for them.  Maybe I'm wrong, I'm sure someone on the list could
>> clarify.
>>
>> Gary L. Grieme
>> Records Manager
>> (612) 349-8538
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
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