Times up, pencils down.
Glen, time for hte next question please
Chris Flynn
Happy Friday the 13th
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:03 PM, [log in to unmask] <
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> If you think of a record as evidence of a state of nature that can be used
> by a person removed from the state by time or space to gain an approximate
> understanding of it, then my grandfather's stories of walking to school in
> the snow are records.
>
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> John Montana <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Having thought about it overnight, I think they might, in some cases, be
> >records. In some non-literate societies, the oral historian is the
> >official keeper of records, including all sorts of things we'd delegate
> >to a government agency -- births, deaths, lineages, property records,
> >etc. The oral historian is, for all practical purposes, the county
> >clerk and recorder, marriage registry and state archives, all rolled
> >into one. Their history is THE record, relied upon for all purposes,
> >and taken as the official version of the events therein. Call it best
> >evidence, call it a record, call it whatever, but it's operating like an
> >official record.
> >
> >English common law used to have a similar thing for land transfers. In
> >pre-literate (insofar as commoners were concerned) England, upon
> >transfer of title to land, they'd have what was called an enfeoffment
> >ceremony wherein a clod of dirt from the land would be pressed into the
> >hand of the new owner by the old owner. The purpose of this was to
> >create a record of the eventin the minds of participants and observers,
> >since there was no written record as we know it. Then, they would give
> >the children who witnessed the ceremony a beating. The reason for this
> >is that a record in the mind of an old person was not sufficiently
> >durable and longlasting for something like a land title transfer, so
> >they created a more long-lasting and prominently labeled record in the
> >minds of the children, thus ensuring a readily available record of the
> >event long after the passing of the adults present at the ceremony.
> >
> >David T. Macknet wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hmm. Part of the discussion has centred around the evidenciary standing
> >> of oral history, which may give them the standing as if they were
> >> records, but I'm not sure that I'd call them records in and of
> >> themselves. Oral histories are records, certainly, in a sense - an
> >> historical record, in a way. But my gut feeling (for whatever it's
> >> worth) is that there's something about what RM has considered "a record"
> >> which involves the explicit act of preservation, in durable form.
> >> Certainly, the explicit act of preservation is present within oral
> >> histories ... but the durability of the form is in question. Also,
> >> because there is no possibility of destruction / retention decisions
> >> being made in the same way as what RM considers records, I think there
> >> is some (not irreconcilable) philosophical difference between the two.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
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> >> DR. DAVID T. MACKNET
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