We are getting a little thin skinned here.  This was a comical comment.

I grew up Irish Catholic and we had a million jokes.  I just had  
someone send
me some pre- St. Patrick' Day stuff and I didn't get mad.  My post  
ended with a
whimsical comment about Quakers Oats posting my Mothers Chocolate Chip
recipe.  Yet no one thought to defend them?

Watching our secrets walk out the door should be cause for Treason  
for the person
of any race who steals it, as well as the CEO of any company that  
allows it to happen. Maybe then they care more about security than  
stock options.

So I apologize to Ms. Wang in absentia and hope that she prosecutes this
foreign agent and any others that come against the U.S. and gives  
them what they deserve.

Certainly the evidence they have accumulated should seal the deal.

> Investigators found a trove of other
> material allegedly stolen from Boeing in a "crawl space" under his
> home in Orange, she said.

> He then collected manuals on aircraft fatigue and design of the
> F-100 fighter, X-15 rocket plane and B-70 bomber, prosecutors allege.
>
> During the 2006 search of Chung's home, investigators found
> documents on the space shuttle's phased-array communications
> system, Boeing's heavy-lift Delta IV space booster and the Air
> Force's C-17 Globemaster III troop and cargo transport, according
> to court document.

I visited Boeing in Seattle years ago and they talked of how they  
compartment all their secrets. How does anyone accumulate this much  
data across so many platforms? Let us discuss how that records  
management platform broke down?  How does one steal this many secrets  
and no one at Boeing says "What does that guy have in his wheelbarrow?"

But I don't think Ben Franklin meant his quote in the way you  
represent it Pat.

  "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little  
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

If he did, Benedict Arnold would not live in infamy for trading a few  
secrets to our enemies. He was then and is today the poster boy for  
traitors throughout history. He and the rest of the leaders were  
pretty quick to punish someone who used their liberty and trust to  
inform our enemies. Believing that protecting our nation's vital  
interests by caution and discretion is giving up Liberty is a  
mistake.  Freedom has to be protected in so many ways. Pandora's  
secrets once gone can never be put right.

> Corporations and nations are finding that it difficult, perhaps nearly
> impossible, to be certain that when a man or a woman is placed in a
> position of trust, he or she will not betray that trust.  That is a  
> far
> more serious and unsettling issue.  The lack of personal integrity,  
> the
> absence of allegiance to a set of core values, principles, or beliefs
> that a man or woman will not violate under any circumstances, seems to
> be endemic.

Our own industry has seen this time and again with the loss or theft  
of computer tapes, as well as records put in storage with an  
understanding of security.  Here one corporation betrays another.

So let us send all the betrayers with Anglo/European names like Ames,  
Hansen, Walker, Pollard,  and don't forget Arnold;  and probably very  
soon Mr. Chung to the same place. In the recent film Breach, one of  
the points they made was to extrapolate treason out to dollars spent  
to fix the loss, or; to develop even better technology.  Those funds  
come right out of our schools, our health care and our retirement  
funds.  I get chills thinking about what 5 spies can do; or 25  
spies.  In fact it probably wouldn't take too many to bring down the  
whole country.

If the one spy at Dupont can cost them $400 million in technology  
losses.  Imagine the damage that so many thousands in our country,  
that have no sense of personal integrity, do here each year.  Peter's  
posts describe them each day and no one has chills.

But I apologize and as my punishment you may send me all the middle  
aged white guy jokes you like because that seems to be the last  
remaining ethnic group you can make a joke about.  Or are Irish  
Catholic's still in play?

Hugh Smith



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