Well I guess opinions are like elbows... everyone has one... no
waitaminute, most of us have TWO elbows!! Now WHAT is it that opinions are
like?? Well, doesn't matter... =)
I think you're BOTH right- and it depends on the situation, industry or
usage pattern.
Vlad is correct in that MANY (but not all) industries require a final
revision to carry an engineer's seal and signature, but in some instances,
there are processes in place for that to happen electronically now (both
the application of a 'stamp' and a 'signature' ) And when I worked in
Construction and Utilities, while we DID apply a wet stamp and signature to
our CAD plots, after they were signed, they were scanned/imaged and the CAD
files were updated to reflect the initials of the signatories and an image
of the stamp, so they were ready for the next revision. The image was then
used to generate microfilm aperture cards, and half sized prints were used
in the field and sites... but full sized prints were available, if needed.
Hugh is right as well, and the main reason/benefit of this was there was NO
QUESTION the field staff had the most recent version of the drawing,
because the prints were made from an image of the MASTER file. To get to
prior versions, you had to have access rights. And this wasn't in the past
year or two, this was in the late 1990s.
When you are doing something stand alone, or as an add-on within a facility
that is fitting into an existing space like the vaults Hugh designs, if his
clients are across the country, electronic transmission of drawings during
review and approval processes makes great sense. But in cases where you
have inter-dependencies, or there may be interferences that require on-site
coordination, then obviously hard copy plans , re-line markups and all
going both directions are sometimes required.
We did, however, use CAD overlay drafting to send markups on a project we
had that was being engineered by a firm in Houston, to our firm in San
Francisco, for a pipeline being constructed in far Northern California for
an extended period of time and things worked fine. We would have monthly
"signing parties" in Houston where we took custody of construction drawings
and flew them back with us, but the CAD files were transmitted by FTP
electronically.
Oh and I JUST REMEMBERED what it was we all have ONE of ... and thankfully,
for that reason, not every process has gone completely paperless. But they
are working that way in parts of Europe and in Japan I understand. Lo (or
is it loo?) the day...
Larry
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Alfaro, Vladimir <
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> From the development/construction perspective, I respectfully disagree,
> Hugh. while a good percentage of the approved, as-built, DD, etc., drawings
> are in fact electronic, these still need to be printed and managed for the
> normal course business. For example, engineers refer to as built drawings
> almost on a daily basis and most of the time they are not at their desks
> and are in different locations or office spaces, etc. - hence the need to
> have a printed copy. Approved drawings need to be stamped by the local
> authorities - hence the final approved version is a paper version. Many
> times DD drawings are marked to show changes and these are kept as the
> record of the DD 60%, 75%, etc.
>
> Indeed, many steps have been taken to reduce the number of physical
> records - I look forward to the day when we can truly say we have a
> paperless office. To coin a phrase "I Hate Paper."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Records Management Program [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Hugh Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:11 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [RM] BBC News - Is the paperless office possible?
>
> Many construction companies request all documents be paperless. Plans are
> sent as AutoCAD files or PDF's for management who may not have CAD reading
> software.
>
> All of the Plans I develop on Vaults are sent to the client first as a PDF
> and when that is approved we send the owner's architect the CAD files and
> the Owner already has his file in his computer.
>
> Some construction project no longer allow invoicing by paper, you simply
> submit into their Invoicing and software. Some pay by wire transfer.
>
> Most of my vault plans never exist as paper files. That has come back to
> benefit clients as they approach us to move a vault or expand a vault that
> has been in one location and now they wish to move it. We simply send
> their current files as PDF's and since they lost their hardcopy drawings of
> years ago, the Engineering begins again with an accurate set of drawings.
>
> So the Construction Industry, Architectural Industry and the Vital Records
> Vaulting business has moved to paperless.
>
> This November's Election is being fought on the Digital Frontier. He who
> is best on the Digital Frontier will probably win.
>
> Frank Abignale of the FBI and famous for his early career depicted in the
> movie "Catch Me If You Can" has given several speeches ( I heard him once
> after Clinton won and once after Bush W. won) in which he describes
> America as follows: "40% of Americans are Democrats, their parent and
> grandparents were Democrats and 40% of Americans are Republicans, their
> parent and grandparents were Democrats and 20% are in the middle. This 20%
> believes that the wrestling on WWE is real. These are the Bubba factor and
> they swing the election. It is why Clinton won because the Bubba's
> identified with him and not Bush H. and; it is why Bush W. beat Gore. So
> America's fate swings on the Bubba vote."
>
> I think that the Digital vote is going to swing this election. But is the
> Democrat, Republican, Tea Party and the Issues parties more digital than
> the opponent. Will our computers be flooded with political email. It
> appears that the computers in the sky already know how each of us vote and
> we receive mail from that direction so I believe we can say digital has
> taken over politics. I think that could be bad for America.
>
> Certainly medical has gone digital and it has its positives and negatives.
> The new privacy laws and HIPAA are already affecting medical research and
> university research programs as data bases are scrubbed of identifiers.
> Great news for breast cancer because when you remove the identifier of sex
> (male and female) it will appear that the incidence of breast cancer has
> gone down as men do not experience it as much as women and therefore the
> stats will be skewed. University research has troubles as every research
> study starts out with disadvantages on medical research due to concerns
> about Medical privacy.
>
>
> Hugh Smith
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