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As promised yesterday, I would address this issue by asking an CPA  
and accounting firm to address these issues. Here is his insight into  
this issue.  He addresses the comment of trying to comply with the  
ISO 17799 Standard and providing proof of such compliance.

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There are numerous issues surrounding the understanding and use of  
the SAS 70 Type 2 Certification.  The following thoughts might be of  
some help:

SAS 70 Type 2 Certification (“SAS 70” hereinafter) vs ISO record  
keeping standards:

To begin with an audit differs from an ISO record keeping standards  
examination insofar as the audit is performed by an independent  
public accounting firm that issues a certificate for which it  
ultimately becomes liable for damages to any third party who  
ultimately relied upon its findings which subsequently were proven to  
be inaccurate.  In addition and perhaps more importantly, an SAS 70  
like any other audit performed by an independent public accounting  
firm is NOT performed to satisfy the issuer but to satisfy the needs  
of the ultimate client/customer that has its own minimum performance  
standards for which it alone is responsible.


Thus for an issuer to cause an SAS 70 to be performed based on very  
low standards is nothing more than a “…a fool’s folly…” because the  
Certification would not satisfy the users required conditions.  In  
other words, it is the user (i.e., client/customer) NOT the issuer  
who determines whether the conditions of the SAS 70 meet its required  
fiduciary standards.  Sarbanes Oxley (SOX), as one example, places  
the responsibility to determine satisfactory fiduciary policy  
standards squarely on the audit committee of the board of directors,  
the CEO and the CFO of public companies.  Under that law neither the  
board of director nor the senior management of the company may shift  
that fiduciary responsibility to a third party.  Thus the board of  
directors working through the management of the company determines  
what “best practices of record keeping” are required to safeguard the  
company interests.  Thus the SAS 70 must satisfy the standards of the  
company (i.e., the client/customer), rather than the issuer.

 From the issuer’s prospective, the SAS 70 is an attempt to  
efficiently anticipate the due diligence requirements of multiple  
clients/customers by requesting an independent auditor to perform an  
SAS 70 at “best industry practices” standards.  This is a matter of  
efficiency simply to avoid the cost associated with multiple  
redundant due diligence audits by each potential client/customer.  In  
practice the SAS 70 is normally performed to the “best industry  
practices” standard, but standards will vary industry to industry and  
are always subject to criticism when held up to scrutiny.  Thus the  
client/customer ultimately determines “best industry practice”  
suitable to its own circumstance.  To the extent that any particular  
client/customer were to demand additional requirements beyond those  
stipulated by the SAS 70, the client/customer would then be required  
to do perform further due diligence to ultimately resolve its own  
fiduciary requirements.

The assumptions that the client/customer will seek an SAS 70 as a  
safe haven by shifting responsibility to the service provider; that  
the client/customer will not bother to read or understand the SAS 70  
content; or that the client/customer will accept the SAS 70 as the  
final authoritative word concerning the performance of its fiduciary  
responsibility to protect the company’s interest are simply  
incorrect; or a perilous road for any who were to choose such a path.

In so far as the use of the SAS 70 is a financial tool employed to  
examine adequacy of outsource service provider’s function - that is a  
correct assumption.  In practice these functions include but are not  
limited to the back office functions in banking, brokerage, and  
commodity industries; high-volume and high-structured transactions  
such as  accounts receivable, accounts payable; payroll and benefits  
such as pension and health administration etc.  By definition the  
function performed by the outsource service provider is “records  
keeping function” not dissimilar from the services provided by the  
records storage industry.  Namely: “…ensuring that records keeping  
systems are designed and implemented to provide the controls to  
guarantee integrity of the content, structure and context of the  
records over time…”.

I can go on, but I hope this helps clarify the difference between the  
SAS 70 and an ISO record keeping standards examination.

So then, these are some of the conclusions we may consider applicable  
to us:

the SAS 70 will be of greater interest to some clients than others –  
such as, SOX regulated public companies;  regulated industries such  
banking, insurance and health; municipal, state and federal  
government regulatory agencies and similar enterprise institutions  
where public oversight is required;
these industries require the most strenuous “best industry  
practices”; thus setting  SAS 70 to satisfy these respective industry  
standards will raise the bar for everyone electing to use our service;
electing to go this route will put us in the discriminating premium  
price end of the market rather than the lower end mass market service  
provider;
the SAS 70 will not be cheap, but neither will an ISO record keeping  
examination.  Both will require uniform procedures across all media  
vault storage vendor participants in order to have any efficacy.  The  
SAS 70 will undoubtedly be more expensive because it not only  
requires audit verification but must cover the liability assumed by  
the audit firm undertaking the certification.  This is very similar  
to the price paid to a law firm that renders a “Opinion” on a  
selected issue;
the SAS 70 will probably require some participating offsite  storage  
members to change their existing procedures which may increase their  
cost of operations.  Existing clients not electing the pay for such  
service may temporarily get a free ride, but pricing for that group  
will catch up gradually over time and be immediately applicable for  
new clients.
more importantly, the SAS 70 should will be focused on larger  
national accounts or selected industry accounts with greater volumes  
and higher net yields;
for members electing to participate in the SAS 70 premiums for  
certain insurable risks may become lower or available where  
previously unavailable.

I hope these remarks are helpful.

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I was corrected on this issue


Thus for an issuer to cause an SAS 70 to be performed based on very  
low standards is nothing more than a “…a fool’s folly…” because the  
Certification would not satisfy the users required conditions.  In  
other words, it is the user (i.e., client/customer) NOT the issuer  
who determines whether the conditions of the SAS 70 meet its required  
fiduciary standards.

If an SAS 70 Audit is performed and not reviewed by all relevant  
departments will be dangerous indeed. So if you use a vendor who  
offers an SAS 70 Type 2 Audit Statement, then you should have a copy  
and read it.  If it is available and you fail to review it for  
compliance then the liability will fall back on you due to the  
negligence of failing to read and interpret the SLA being offered.



Just the fact that the Listserve would discuss this and show interest  
in this made this CPA interested in the records management  
practitioners and drew a sort of new respect for this sophistication.






Hugh Smith
FIRELOCK Fireproof Modular Vaults
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