From my point of view, this discussion is concluded.  All comments will be
forwarded to the Member Practice Services Committee for their future use.
There is certainly nothing from those who are involved in existing PhD
programs that prevents all of you from networking and building such a
journal, and finding an appropriate University home for it.


Douglas P. Allen, CRM, CDIA+
President, ARMA International
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On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Luciana Duranti
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> My comments under Douglas Allen's.
>
>
> At 07:45 AM 05/12/2009, you wrote:
>
>>  I recommend that you provide that input on future surveys or
>> requests for comment that are provided as a part of ARMA International's
>> Strategic Planning process.  We do have a process, it works, and it drives
>> us to move forward with plans and projects that meet the needs as
>> expressed
>> by our members.
>>
>
> What if, in addition to survey your members, you surveyed potential
> members, all those who would become members if their needs were met--like
> me, my colleagues and my students, that is, if you threw in with the
> membership the subscription to a refereed journal? It should be possible to
> administer a web survey sending a questionnaire to all NA universities that
> administer courses in the RM area at graduate level. Do not forget that
> faculty members make up reading lists with required readings and do ask
> their students to become members of associations if they believe that it
> would be good for their intellectual and professional growth.  I do
> explicitly tell my master's and PhD students on the first day of class to
> become members of the ACA and the SAA if they are not already.  Not all of
> them do, but most become members, not because I say so, but because they
> realize that it helps them (not only providing 80% of their readings at a
> discount).  And we know very well that good habits acquired in youth last a
> lifetime (i.e. keeping memberships and subscriptions going).
>
>
>  Those who have pursued this are among our most respected former Board
>> members and volunteers - those who have donated
>> thousands of hours to taking on a leadership role within the Association.
>> That doesn't make them automatically "correct", but it certainly does get my
>> attention, and lends credibility to their observations.
>>
>
> you mean, ...regardless of the fact that, in a profession whose needs
> change as fast as technology, those observations were made years ago by
> people who are either retired or have stated in this list that they can only
> speculate that nothing has changed?  This does not make any business sense.
>  Did you read the plea of Sofia Empel?...there are many like her...A
> professional association must support the young, the future of the
> profession.  Its old members should push for change, and, if they do not
> have the time or the energy, they should pass the torch on... If the ACA
> were to tell her new young members that it is going or is not going to make
> certain choices because Luciana Duranti, or her contemporaries, did believe
> or did not believe them to be right ten or five years ago, I would scream in
> outrage.  I am writing giving a voice to the needs of future RM
> professionals and academics, even if this is in conflict with much of what I
> have stated ten years ago, that RM belongs in archival science and so does
> its scholarly output.  Today there is too much going on out there that is
> new, that requires research, that calls for a strong intellectual
> discourse...specialization is needed now, so there is space for a RM
> journal. For example, the problems of cloud computing are not understood
> simply by looking at what people do in their shops or at the problems that
> the one or the other is encountering.  Dedicated analysis of all possible
> consequences and prototype testing need to be conducted.  Where are the
> results going to be published?  Probably in a refereed journal no ARMA
> member knows of or has access to. My article on digital records forensics is
> coming out in Archivaria's next number.  How many RM are going to read it
> besides RM students in graduate archival programs?
>
> You say that "the problems and challenges pointed to by those who have made
> the effort, by those who have spent the time in such an endeavor.... have
> not been dealt with effectively by anyone."  It seems to me that they have
> been dealt with very effectively using arguments that show a vision for the
> future of the profession rather than data.  ARMA wants numbers.  It is not
> our responsibility to provide ARMA with the data or the numbers. It is
> ARMA's responsibility to listen and collect data to see whether there are
> better ways of serving the profession and its future.
>
> ARMA, like all professional associations, serves a variety of
> constituencies. There is no doubt that a large part of that constituency is
> perfectly happy with the way it is served.  However, there are other parts
> who do not feel as well served, and for this reason many choose not to be
> ARMA members. So ARMA should diversify its efforts and cater to the entire
> profession, but especially to the new component, which is coming up through
> graduate education. Besides helping the profession to cope with the present,
> ARMA should lead it to control its future.  Rhetorical as it might sound,
> this is what we need.  AIEF is a great instrument for doing so.  Use it at
> its highest potential.  The students who have received its scholarships want
> to help.  Use them. PhD students like Corinne, Sofie and Elaine want to
> help.  Use them. We academics want to help.  Use us.  The most established
> records managers like Jesse and Dwight want to help by donating time or
> money.  Use them too.  Sometimes it pays off to act as a movement rather
> than as an old bureaucracy...The needed changes in RM require flexibility
> not entrenchment in old positions.
>
> Submitted with great respect, as always, especially for those who have been
> the pillars of ARMA and for whose contributions my generation is extremely
> grateful.
>
> Luciana
>
> Dr. Luciana Duranti
> Chair and Professor, Archival Studies
> Director, The InterPARES Project www.interpares.org
> Director, Digital Records Forensics Project
> www.digitalrecordsforensics.org
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