Fred is correct that one can join the ISO working group, and there are
several. They are known as Technical Advisory Groups (TAGs) in the US,
and have other names in each country. The US TAGs to ISO standards have
to follow rules laid out by the American National Standards Institution
(ANSI) who is the official representative for the US to the ISO.
Membership in US TAGs are open to all interested, qualified individuals
with some TAGS charging a fee and others not. There is NO "secret
handshake", or there certainly is not meant to be one. The ballot process
Fred describes it to get the agreement of other Technical Committee TC171
TAG members that potential members are indeed qualified and have a
legitimate interest in the work of the committee. I can't say that I have
ever seen anyone turned down in the last 30 years.
There are several ISO committees working on standards for our industry.
The ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301 draft international standards were developed
by ISO Technical Committee TC46. The US TAG for TC46 is held by NISO
(NISO.org) and ARMA as an organization is a member of that TAG. I have
tried to join the US delegation to TC46 in the past but due to NISO fee
structure have not done so. I also tried to join the ARMA group working
on TC46 standards but was told there was no room on the delegation for a
meeting held last fall.
AIIM administers the US TAG to the ISO TC171 committee that writes the
more technical ECM and RM standards. There is a liaison relationship
between TC171 and TC46, which is how members of the TC171 group would
input into work on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301. I don't think there is a fee
to join the US TAG to TC171. You can visit http://www.aiim.org/Standards/
.
The kind offer by Alan Shipman to take input from List Serve members is
another way to input into the process. I have worked on standards with
Alan for about 25 years and as a dedicated professional he works on both
TC171 and TC46 standards.
Finally, I will echo Fred's statement. I have worked in the AIIM and ISO
process for about thirty years and chaired the US TAG to TC171 and many
other committees. It is indeed educational, gratifying and an opportunity
to develop many professional and personal relationships. I encourage all
to try it.
Bill Neale
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:22:27 -0400
From: Peter Kurilecz <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:47 PM, NKhramtsovsky <[log in to unmask]>
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> This one draft was an exception: The text was (and is) freely available
at
> ICA's website at http://www.ica.org/en/node/38972
>
but first you have to know to look at the ICA website. If you don't know
that the material is posted then you can't review it
> . But it's possible to become a member of a national working group and
get
> access to the ISO information system. Fred Grevin did it, and so did I.
Then
> one can - cautiously - spread the word :)
then people need to know how one can become a member of a national working
group. Is there a secret handshake involved in becoming a member?
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:23:12 -0400
From: "Grevin, Fred" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
Peter Kurilecz asked "then people need to know how one can become a member
of a national working group. Is there a secret handshake involved in
becoming a member?"
Not to my knowledge, at least not for TC 171. As I understand it, a
Technical Advisory Group (TAG) decides it needs additional members, either
because existing members have left, or because new development requires
more people, or because there is a need for Subject Matter Experts in an
area not already covered by the existing members.
There are requirements to ensure the Sub-Committees are not dominated by
any particular organisation.
The existing members then look over their contacts, pass the word around,
and then one or more candidates are proposed. The Secretariat contacts the
proposed members to ask if they are interested, if they can afford the
commitment in time and effort, and other questions.
If the proposed candidate agrees, the Secretariat circulates a ballot
among the existing TAG members, giving the candidate's qualifications and
interest in participating.
Assuming the candidacy is approved, the new member starts working on one
or more projects.
The ISO policies and procedures are quite complex, and I myself have
barely begun to understand them. But they are logical and have a purpose.
Having just returned from the annual Plenary session of TC 171 (the annual
reunion of all the national delegations), I can say for myself it is
tremendously interesting and fulfilling work, well worth the time, effort,
and costs.
Fred Grevin
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:21:39 -0700
From: bobd <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
Sorry Fred ... based on your answer I think Peter thought on the secret
handshake is probably appropriate. Existing members look over their
contacts and passes it on to the secretariat sounds like a closed club to
me. I would think it would be announced much like ARMA, AIIM, etc., to
all
interested groups.
R W Dalton, CRM
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Subject: Re: [RM] More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
Peter Kurilecz asked "then people need to know how one can become a member
of a national working group. Is there a secret handshake involved in
becoming a member?"
Not to my knowledge, at least not for TC 171. As I understand it, a
Technical Advisory Group (TAG) decides it needs additional members, either
because existing members have left, or because new development requires
more
people, or because there is a need for Subject Matter Experts in an area
not
already covered by the existing members.
There are requirements to ensure the Sub-Committees are not dominated by
any
particular organisation.
The existing members then look over their contacts, pass the word around,
and then one or more candidates are proposed. The Secretariat contacts the
proposed members to ask if they are interested, if they can afford the
commitment in time and effort, and other questions.
If the proposed candidate agrees, the Secretariat circulates a ballot
among
the existing TAG members, giving the candidate's qualifications and
interest
in participating.
Assuming the candidacy is approved, the new member starts working on one
or
more projects.
The ISO policies and procedures are quite complex, and I myself have
barely
begun to understand them. But they are logical and have a purpose.
Having just returned from the annual Plenary session of TC 171 (the annual
reunion of all the national delegations), I can say for myself it is
tremendously interesting and fulfilling work, well worth the time, effort,
and costs.
Fred Grevin
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:26:10 +0400
From: NKhramtsovsky <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
> Peter Kurilecz >> but first you have to know to look at the ICA website.
> If you don't know
that the material is posted then you can't review it <
Well, yes. Actually it isn't easy to find it even if you do know about it
:)
>> . But it's possible to become a member of a national working group and
>> get
>> access to the ISO information system. Fred Grevin did it, and so did I.
>> Then
>> one can - cautiously - spread the word :)
>
> Peter Kurilecz >> then people need to know how one can become a member
of
> a national working
> group. Is there a secret handshake involved in becoming a member?
Don't know how it is in the US. In Russia one should contact an existing
national technical committee/subcommittee in liaison with ISO TC 46/SC 11
(at present there are two of them) . The subcommittee can arrange access
to
the ISO information system through national standardization body.
With my best regards,
Natasha Khramtsovsky
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:31:36 -0400
From: "Grevin, Fred" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
Bob, it's not a Maine town meeting, but it's not a "secret handshake",
either.
Fred
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Subject: Re: [RM] More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
Sorry Fred ... based on your answer I think Peter thought on the secret
handshake is probably appropriate. Existing members look over their
contacts and passes it on to the secretariat sounds like a closed club to
me. I would think it would be announced much like ARMA, AIIM, etc., to
all
interested groups.
R W Dalton, CRM
Dalton Consulting
253-229-4555
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Subject: Re: [RM] More on ISO/DIS 30300 and 30301
Peter Kurilecz asked "then people need to know how one can become a member
of a national working group. Is there a secret handshake involved in
becoming a member?"
Not to my knowledge, at least not for TC 171. As I understand it, a
Technical Advisory Group (TAG) decides it needs additional members, either
because existing members have left, or because new development requires
more
people, or because there is a need for Subject Matter Experts in an area
not
already covered by the existing members.
There are requirements to ensure the Sub-Committees are not dominated by
any
particular organisation.
The existing members then look over their contacts, pass the word around,
and then one or more candidates are proposed. The Secretariat contacts the
proposed members to ask if they are interested, if they can afford the
commitment in time and effort, and other questions.
If the proposed candidate agrees, the Secretariat circulates a ballot
among
the existing TAG members, giving the candidate's qualifications and
interest
in participating.
Assuming the candidacy is approved, the new member starts working on one
or
more projects.
The ISO policies and procedures are quite complex, and I myself have
barely
begun to understand them. But they are logical and have a purpose.
Having just returned from the annual Plenary session of TC 171 (the annual
reunion of all the national delegations), I can say for myself it is
tremendously interesting and fulfilling work, well worth the time, effort,
and costs.
Fred Grevin
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