Barbara, I don't think anybody took your comments as an insult; perhaps
some things were said to clarify, and that led the discussion down a
different path.

One of ARMA's missions is to help educate the RIM profession, and
others.  So does NIRMA, AIIM, PRISM, other RIM-related professional
associations, etc.   The ICRM does not train and educate, they test and
certify via credential; training is not in their mission.  The ICRM is
happy, though, when members/individual CRMs help train RIM folks.

Best regards, Steve
Steven D. Whitaker, CRM
Records Systems Manager; City of Reno

>>> [log in to unmask] 10/03 4:28 AM >>>
I really have to learn not to think out loud.   It seems that my
comments 
were taken as an insult to the CRM designation and that was definitely
not 
what I intended.   Just the opposite. 

How many times have we all seen employment ads with job descriptions
that 
were obviously entry level RM but the employer is insisting on a CRM?
They 
don?t understand how we can be members of a PROFESSION and not have a 
degree in that profession.   As said in a previous post, you?re either
a 
CRM or you?re not.

What I was suggesting was, if the colleges and universities are not
going 
to accommodate the RM profession then why doesn?t ARMA or ICRM take on

that responsibility?   While I?m not suggesting that they create
courses 
etc (although that?s not altogether a bad idea), they can create a
testing 
/ certification environment. 

The CRM will always be the ultimate designation but if we are going to

come out and specify multi-tiered core competencies, shouldn?t we also

provide a tool to measure and recognize those competencies?




Barbara Wyton
Records Management Specialist
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