I'm not familiar with Yammer specifically, but Larry brings up a good
point:  There are ZERO guarantees that Yammer will be around in one year,
or five, or ten.  We can all retell stories of data lost forever because a
private company decided to cease operation or change its direction without
warning.  Being hosted by a university holds far greater promise the
archives of this group will continue to exist.

Hilary Henkin
City of Los Angeles Records Management Dept.
Los Angeles City Clerk

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Larry Medina <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Roach, Bill <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > >> Thanks for the clarification. I agree, ""..... technology" is the
> > tools, means, processes, and technology necessary for carrying out
> > business...... I'd respectfully submit to you that using a spoon is not
> > business...<<
> >
>
> Depends on how deep you've gotten yourself in... many times, a spoon may be
> the only tool you'd be abl eto use to dig youself out of a situation you've
> gotten into in the "business at hand".
>
>
> > Based on the definition above, neither is the depth finder I use on my
> > boat, the FitBit folks wear on their wrist, or the pacemakers used to
> make
> > a ticker tock.  A spoon is an example of technology as much as is Yammer.
> > The word technology has been around since the 1600's and is based on a
> > Greek word that is much older than that.
> >
> >  - The definition of technology is science or knowledge put into
> practical
> > use to solve problems or invent useful tools.
> >
>
> Agreed that few considered the stick a chimp used to stick into a log to
> extract ants to eat 'a technology', but a thought process had to be
> employed to determine that stick would fit into that hole and it would be
> interesting enough to those ants to grab onto it and allow themselves to be
> extracted to end up become a food source.
>
> As for one of the initial comments about it "being free"... NOTHING
> provided for no direct cost on the interwebs is "free".  You're giving up
> something when you use it, which is why (as Terra said) many of us in
> Federal settings aren't allowed to use certain social media 'tools' on our
> Fed based systems.
>
> They extract info from users to determine your usage patterns in the name
> of 'improving the useability of their tools'... but they're providing the
> data they extract/harvest to someone and it provides a revenue source to
> someone somewhere down the line.  If it didn't, it wouldn't exist.  I don't
> think many people here are so dense they don't "get that".
>
> For those concerned about the archived content of what gets shared here...
> if we jump ship from UFL, believe me, we lose all the history... unless
> someone wants to try to suck it off of there servers and host it somewhere
> else.
>
> If the list as it exists now 'morphs' to some other service/platform...
> capture my email at the base of this message, that's where you an find me.
>
> and as Peter mentioned, the Yahoo Group is kept alive... every time they
> contact me and ask "Do you want to renew this group and its credentials", I
> say yes, until someone says let's get rid of it, or I'm not around to
> answer that question.
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/recmgmt_ot/info   there's only been
> one
> post in 2015; and since 2009, it's been a Ghost Town pretty much... but
> that's because more <r@p has been allowed to be discussed here than the
> old
> guys who would prefer to tell you "Get Off of MY LAWN" would allow to be
> here.
>
> --
> Larry
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>
>
> *----Lawrence J. MedinaDanville, CARIM Professional since 1972*
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