Steve, "Hollow points flatten out on impact - much too quick. They "splat" so to speak, before penetrating." This is true, but the effect is to realign the electrons and they do look cool mounted on the wall. I had a safari lined up to Silicon Valley. It fell through due to unrest is the chip market. With the election over maybe things will stabilize in the area and they will open the area up to controlled hunts. I hear they have some really big old hard drives around there. Of course it could all be rumor. Chris Flynn List archives at http://lists.ufl.edu/archives/recmgmt-l.html Contact [log in to unmask] for assistance