Two points in brief I find of note in this discussion and the related thread on the CRM: 1. I think this is perhaps the most important issue facing ARMA at this point. A professional association exists to provide education (first) and networking opportunities. ARMA certainly does both of these. The direction ARMA intends to take with regards to education, including some combination of defined or existing competencies, certifications, education, and training, will be one of the key factors in its future success, if not its very existence. 2. I think this is an excellent demonstration of how passionate, articulate, pretty smart people can disagree and make their case to the overall membership of the listserv (which includes many folks on the ARMA board, the ICRM board, and other professional associations' boards as well) about where we as a profession, and ARMA as an association, need to focus our energies. By now many similar listservs would have already degraded into namecalling, questioning of ancestry, and other flame wars. As I consider the excellent points made by Sue, Steve, Bruce, and the other contributors to the thread, I am struck by how professional and how relevant the thread continues to be. So thanks for that. Now, on to the next re-re-re-rebuttal. :) Respectfully, Jesse Wilkins CDIA+, LIT, EDP, ICP IMERGE Consulting (303) 574-1455 office (303) 484-4142 fax [log in to unmask] Yahoo!: jessewilkins8511 List archives at http://lists.ufl.edu/archives/recmgmt-l.html Contact [log in to unmask] for assistance